9 comments

  • flowerlad 20 minutes ago

    Oracle does not have any proprietary IP that OpenAI depends on. That means Oracle is providing commodity services to OpenAI.

    AI hardware is advancing rapidly. If NVIDIA's next generations deliver radically more tokens per watt and per dollar, an Oracle facility designed, financed, and contracted around an older GPU generation can be overtaken before it is fully online or fully monetized.

    That's a big risk.

    And to finance this they are making deep cuts to the ERP business where Oracle does have proprietary IP.

    • arisAlexis 11 minutes ago

      ERPs are done. Data center permits, space, contracts to buy scarse GPUs and energy are the moats today. The chips can provide more tokers per watt but the world needs exponentially more tokens each day

      • bigyabai 19 minutes ago

        On strictly business terms, you're absolutely correct. Considering that OpenAI and Oracle both eat from Trump's hand though, I think that Larry Ellison has a few tricks up his sleeve to remain a "necessary" contractor. This is probably a shorter-term investment to pad out the coffers 5-10 years from now.

        If rampant despotism is the end-goal, Oracle has already aligned themselves with the despots.

      • baggachipz 29 minutes ago

        I would assume it's to hire more lawyers.

        • dcrazy 58 minutes ago

          Half of that would be in stocks, resulting in 2.5% dilution for shareholders at the current market cap. But the stock is down 8%.

          • loeg 32 minutes ago

            It's not dilutive -- current shareholders get $10B (or 97% of $10B, whatever). Market reaction is some combination of profitability concern / bankruptcy risk because Oracle is super leveraged and taking on even more debt. Maybe the AI hyperscalars will slow down spending in 2028.

            • donkers 28 minutes ago

              It’s literally dilutive. Current shareholders now only own 97.5% of the equity instead of the 100% they owned previously.

              • dcrazy 23 minutes ago

                Yes, even if the company raises $10b, the ownership stake and voting power of a share is reduced by 2.5%.

                And if that $10b figure is a fixed target, then if the share price continues to fall, the more shares they will need to issue, resulting in even more dilution.

          • jawiggins 59 minutes ago

            Previously, I thought investing in AI companies would be a good hedge against AI taking my job, but I hadn't considered the possibility that they fund the build out by issuing shares. Is there no reprieve?

            • program_whiz 36 minutes ago

              maybe not. There could be mass unemployment and all the big dogs could also lose from the buildout while smaller players (non-public) take over. It could be a lycos / yahoo / google situation where there was no "winner" to invest in during the initial dotcom crash, and there was large-scale disruption all the same.

              • arisAlexis 12 minutes ago

                The dotcom crash has nothing to do with the AI build out

              • BigTTYGothGF 29 minutes ago

                Not for people like us.

                • arisAlexis 13 minutes ago

                  It actually is but very few people realized that yet. We are still at "it doesn't work it's a fluke" denial phase

                • thedougd 18 minutes ago

                  Broadcom is waiting to buy up the pieces.

                  • proc0 28 minutes ago

                    Skynet finally? (Terminator movie used Oracle building as Skynet HQ, forgot which one)

                    • genxy 24 minutes ago

                      We are b-roll in the skynet/oracle cinematic universe.

                    • ai_critic 42 minutes ago

                      Misread the title at first as "to finance AI bailout".

                      • silverFork 23 minutes ago

                        LOL.. It is that under the cover.

                      • Tostino 36 minutes ago

                        I hope nothing but the worst for Oracle as a corporation...though nothing against the technical talent there.

                        • Computer0 57 minutes ago

                          Of all the companies in the world this is one of the ones I root against the hardest. Hoping for the worst outcome on this investment.

                          • mistrial9 43 minutes ago

                            Do not make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison!

                          • petre 30 minutes ago

                            Yeah I hope they get bought by Broadcom, like VMWare and the board sends Larry straight to retirement.