4 comments

  • LorenDB 1 hour ago

    Problem is, where do you take a company like this if you want peace of mind that the new host country won't immediately try to pass a similar law?

    • zawaideh 2 minutes ago

      Use a VPN from country that is hostile to the one you are living in. This way your own country won’t spy on you.

      People tend to worry about other countries, but it is usually within the country they live in that they have to worry about their rights being infringed.

      • browningstreet 33 minutes ago

        I've been working through my options per digital freedom, human dignity, and non-double-taxation as a US citizen. It's a depressingly short list.

        • recursive 1 hour ago

          The real use case for satellite-borne data centers.

          • armadyl 1 hour ago

            I fail to see how a satellite data center would fix this unless the company was entirely off planet

            • recursive 1 hour ago

              Hell, the whole company could be located on that satellite if it transacts in crypto-currency.

              • bluGill 45 minutes ago

                Despite the hype, crypto is traceable. It is harder than other currencies and one transaction is probably untraceable. However if you are running a business you are going to get repeated payments from customers and repeatedly pay your employees and suppliers, which in turn creates enough data that they can track you down.

                • blakeashleyjr 40 minutes ago

                  Mullvad accepts Monero (XMR), the most private and untraceable coin available today. Your point is correct for all others though.

                • Onavo 5 minutes ago

                  Not possible. If all jurisdictions relinquish their claim over the satellite then it's open to being shot down.

                  The proliferation of space access goes both ways. LEO isn't exactly difficult to reach (many college teams can do it). GEO might work but then you need relays and any relay satellite are essentially tacitly complicit.

                  Satellite (and most aerospace related technologies) are glass cannons. They aren't defensible like a bunker or a tank.

                  • dymk 1 hour ago

                    Where do the people live…

                    • recursive 13 minutes ago

                      This wouldn't work for companies that require humans for now.

              • camkego 41 minutes ago

                How has no one mentioned the Sealand micro nation off the UK?

                • rlpb 12 minutes ago

                  It's not relevant. The moment criminality (in the view of other nations with these kinds of laws) hosts itself there, they'll find themselves hauled in front of the UK courts, and find that their "micro nation" isn't recognised and that the UK both claims jurisdiction over them and is able to enforce it.

                • mig39 46 minutes ago

                  How does Mullvad do it? They also have Canadian servers.

                  • MrDrMcCoy 1 hour ago

                    Iceland.

                    • armadyl 1 hour ago

                      Switzerland? Although they’re attempting to close in on this there too.

                      • petcat 1 hour ago

                        Didn't proton end up moving to Germany because of bad Swiss privacy laws?

                    • iamnothere 34 minutes ago

                      I’m more concerned about OpenBSD. Given how centralized the project governance is, and its base in Canada, I can imagine the government attempting to (for example) force the project to serve backdoored images or updates to targeted people. A backdoor or bugdoor in the source would probably be spotted by someone, and I’m not even sure the bill allows a broad tool like that, but that’s not the only way to compromise software users.

                      Fortunately the mirrors are distributed, so maybe that reduces the risk.

                      • singpolyma3 33 minutes ago

                        Didn't this bill get amended to clarify that no encryption back doors are required?

                        • EmbarrassedHelp 22 minutes ago

                          It was amended to make them less likely, but even the Liberals are saying that it can still be used to target encryption.

                          And the legislation still requires mandatory data retention and interception capabilities for all VPNs, encrypted messaging services, and every other online service.

                        • elmer2 45 minutes ago

                          Why don't people ever realize that the more Liberal a government is, the more control they will demand from our lives.

                          • nxm 44 minutes ago

                            They sell "give us more power, we'll protect you" well