10 comments

  • small_model 7 minutes ago

    SpaceXAI is the only frontier model company that had its own compute/date centres and soon chip making factory, I think they will pull ahead with cheaper tokens similar intelligence and better harness/tools. Grok build is 2-5x faster than Claude Code in my opinion.

    • bdangubic 5 minutes ago

      file this under never gonna happen (this folder is piling up...) :)

    • ilreb 4 minutes ago
      • satvikpendem 1 hour ago

        Cursor, since Grok 4.5, has had an incredible deal for frontier level models, their subscription now goes way further than OpenAI or Anthropic. Even on their lower tier plans you can use a lot tokens on their of their first party models (Grok and Composer) and not really run out comparatively. Combine them with an orchestrator and implementor type setup and it goes even further.

        • hmokiguess 37 minutes ago

          I believe they are the only western provider that has Kimi K3 on a subscription plan today as well. I would love to ditch Anthropic and be on Kimi if there were a subsidized plan like that with ZDR

          • pkaye 17 minutes ago

            GitHub Copilot does have Kimi K3.

            • homakov 17 minutes ago

              kimi k3 credits end in just a few sessions. Only Grok models allow generous use in Cursor Pro/+

              • tekwarder 13 minutes ago

                GabAI has KimiK3

              • aliljet 1 hour ago

                Can you explain what you mean? These days courtesy of an addictive reset game OpenAI is playing, I can't find anything with frontier intelligence that's more cost efficient...

                • nomilk 24 minutes ago

                  How does Grok 4.5 compare to Opus >= 4.8 though?

                  I'm willing to pay 2x for a 10% smarter model. Intelligence matters that much (because 10% smarter probably saves, on average, several hours of human time).

                  • redox99 17 minutes ago

                    It's a bit worse.

                    I haven't tried so it's pure speculation based on benchmarks, but I'd assume Grok 4.6 is around Opus 4.8 in real world use, but clearly below Opus 5.

                  • jesse_dot_id 1 hour ago

                    Goes even further to exfiltrate your data, yeah.

                    • greenavocado 47 minutes ago

                      That would be Muse Spark Contributor Tier. 12-21x price reduction at the expense of your digital existence.

                      • CuriouslyC 22 minutes ago

                        I'd be the first model I'd reach for if I was providing a free service to AI gooners though. Serves them both right.

                  • nylonstrung 1 hour ago

                    I have never met a single human being who uses Grok for coding

                    • jm4 58 minutes ago

                      I have. He was using it due to philosophical reasons the same way many people have philosophical reasons for avoiding it. I don't know how many people are like that, but it's not exactly where you want to position your product if you're a business.

                      Personally - and I know I'm not alone with this sentiment based on comments I see on this site - I wouldn't touch Grok no matter how good or cheap it is. I don't trust Elon and I don't want to give another dollar to the world's richest person who turns around and uses the money to interfere with elections. The guy I know uses it for essentially the same reason I won't use it.

                      • inferniac 16 minutes ago

                        >who turns around and uses the money to interfere with elections

                        thats a very dumb reason considering all rich people do it, most are just not as open about it as Musk

                        • MisterKent 8 minutes ago

                          "Everyone's doing it" presented with no evidence is just you trying to make yourself feel better for: - using from - driving a Tesla - voting for Trump

                          It's a really, really easy line to draw in the sand: don't support openly corrupt individuals.

                          It's absolutely true there's money in politics. To call all money in politics equally corrupt because Bernie got a dollar to have dinner with someone vs Elon effectively directly buying votes....

                          A complete lack of nuance here. And I wouldn't be surprised if corporations / super rich WANT you to think like that. The more defeatist the mentality becomes the more we just accept whatever they do next.

                      • nomilk 22 minutes ago

                        I had a security incident the other day and Grok was the only model that would help. Claude and GPT refused on ethical grounds and only gave general advice. In an emergency, I'd only trust Grok. However, that's the only time I used Grok for coding (since Opus 4.8 it would take a lot to get me to switch away from Anthropic)

                        • busch_j 1 hour ago

                          A bunch of SWEs at my work use it as their primary model.

                          We have Claude, ChatGPT, and Cursor with essentially no cap on spend (top guy is spending over 10K a month on AI at API prices), and he hasn't had his hand slapped.

                          So it's not like they are using it purely because it's cheaper.

                          I think people like to use it for its speaking style, pretty solid performance, and its speed.

                          • redox99 15 minutes ago

                            That's pretty surprising. Idk about Grok 4.6, but Grok 4.5 was clearly below Fable, Opus 5 and GPT 5.6 Sol.

                          • visopsys 1 hour ago

                            I use. I used to be a Claude user. Since trying Grok 4.5 and especially Grok 4.6, I don't want to go back to Claude any more (I have early access to 4.6).

                            Grok is 3x+ faster than Claude and I can't tell the diff in engineering work quality. As an engineer, speed is important to me.

                            • bigyabai 1 hour ago

                              For $30/month, I'd expect it to have higher usage limits than Claude Code and Codex.

                              • visopsys 55 minutes ago

                                It really does. I felt like I could have spent $1000+ api token on claude for the amount of work on my $30 grok subscription.

                                • drewnick 49 minutes ago

                                  An hour in, I've been running four terminals full bore on my $20/mo Grok sub and I'm at 9% for the week. Codex or Claude would easily have hit 5-hour or weekly limits.

                            • LeBit 1 hour ago

                              I refuse to use that product because of the parent company.

                              • wilburx3 25 minutes ago

                                100%, it's an easy pass given that it is always playing catch up.

                                • jryle70 21 minutes ago

                                  I can respect if you say you hate their guts. Everyone has their worldview. But over moral or ethical stand? You don't have any if you're using Chinese models, or fly Middle East airlines, or countless of other products. Don't delude yourself.

                                  • epolanski 12 minutes ago

                                    Chinese models are open, Grok is not.

                                • peder 55 minutes ago

                                  Does it matter? Why turn it into a popularity contest?

                                  • homakov 14 minutes ago

                                    once my codex/claude weekly limit was gone, i gave it a try. It was surprisingly good, not dumb in any way, and fast. I now require it as a part of 3-of-3 quorum with any codebase change.

                                    • kvirani 1 hour ago

                                      Folks working in US govt tend to, based on convos I've had with one such person.

                                      • dogmayor 10 minutes ago

                                        Not the best endorsement given the current US gov

                                      • inferniac 14 minutes ago

                                        it only very recently became competetive, if they proceed with improvements (and beating others on price) their share will grow

                                        • Recurecur 47 minutes ago

                                          Hi! Grok’s worked quite well for my use cases…

                                          It’s also a great deal!

                                          • treexs 29 minutes ago

                                            the new models are quite good, give it a shot

                                            • supriyo-biswas 1 hour ago

                                              I'm only being forced to use it at $WORK since some people overran their Cursor bill, so everyone gets Cursor Auto enabled by default which routes to Grok 4.5.

                                              • mohamedkoubaa 19 minutes ago

                                                I use it because it's cheap and good enough

                                                • sidcool 1 hour ago

                                                  Hello. Nice to meet you.

                                                  • locknitpicker 39 minutes ago

                                                    > I have never met a single human being who uses Grok for coding

                                                    Me too. The only people I ever saw using grok were using it by accident as they used copilot in auto mode and noticed some prompts were thrown it's way.

                                                    I saw far more people using Mistral than grok.

                                                    • DetroitThrow 1 hour ago

                                                      I've tried it on my "let's run every model in parallel and see which finds more edge cases" type of tasks, and Grok 4.5 was really behind Opus/ChatGPT but ahead of Gemini - despite having a strong showing on benchmarks.

                                                      That makes me really skeptical of it being GPT5.6-tier, much less Fable-tier, based on some of these benchmarks alone. But I'll test here shortly.

                                                    • sidcool 41 minutes ago

                                                      Grok is not the best model around, but it's decent. It gets the basic job done at a low price. I don't think it can advance frontier Math, yet.

                                                      • leerob 30 minutes ago

                                                        Probably can't advance frontier math yet, yeah. But please let us know other places you want to see Grok improve for future models!

                                                        • solid_fuel 11 minutes ago

                                                          I can’t think of any improvements you could make to grok that would get people to trust grok, Musk, or “X” with their data.

                                                          The people behind it have repeatedly demonstrated a complete lack of morals at best, and depraved personalities at worst.

                                                          I suppose you could start by removing the CSAM and nonconsensual pornography generation features though.

                                                          • freejazz 7 minutes ago

                                                            More deepfake porn creation please! Oh yeah, and for children too!

                                                        • insane_dreamer 6 minutes ago

                                                          Why is Grok so much cheaper than Claude or GPT?

                                                          • pzo 1 hour ago

                                                            Seems the cache read pricing almost doubled from $0.30 in Grok 4.5 to $0.50 in Grok 4.6.

                                                            In my experience in heavy coding sessions most pricing is just cache read and cache write like 80% of my token bill.

                                                            • petesergeant 38 minutes ago

                                                              Interesting. Grok 4.5 is a capable model, although not quite at Fable/Sol levels. Will be interesting to see how this holds up. Musk appears to have made a savvy choice buying Cursor's data.

                                                              • thiago_fm 1 hour ago

                                                                I often wonder if there's a chance, even if minimal... that they stole the weights of the Anthropic models they run on their datacenter... or are actively destillating it.

                                                                • connicpu 1 hour ago

                                                                  I think the more likely explanation is that the Cursor data they effectively acquired for $10B was extremely valuable for their training when combined with the insane number of GB300s xAI has for training.

                                                                  • winstonp 1 hour ago

                                                                    Cursor was 60B. The 10B number was the breakup fee if the deal fell through.

                                                                    • bpodgursky 6 minutes ago

                                                                      $60B in SPCX stock, which is sort of magic money.

                                                                  • qudat 1 hour ago

                                                                    > ... or are actively destillating it.

                                                                    I just assumed every model manufacturer is distilling from the frontier models. If they aren't they are definitely trying to do it.

                                                                  • TSiege 18 minutes ago

                                                                    I’m perpetually surprised people feel comfortable sending their code to an LLM that was made to call itself MechaHitler. I wouldn’t touch grok or now cursor with a 10 foot pole

                                                                    • dmix 7 minutes ago

                                                                      MechaHitler was something that existed only on X's grok chatbot, due to a one-line system prompt change they reverted after half a day.

                                                                      That's different than using Grok as a model for coding.

                                                                      • freejazz 6 minutes ago

                                                                        oh, it was only due to a "one-line system prompt change"? well okay then! Here I was thinking it was multiple lines! How foolish was I??