If you're looking for a specific product to try, check out Ombrelle and also La Roche-Posay's Anthelios line. I share this as a Canadian (bemotrizinol has been available here for years), but check the ingredients because it may vary by country because of regulations.
Aside: I did a bunch of sunscreen research some time ago for my family. I like the non-absorbing/non-reactive aspect of mineral screens but settled on a chemical screen and bemotrizinol seemed favoured but we landed instead on the Kinesys brand of sprays which we love because they're very waterproof and sweatproof in our experience but they feel like almost nothing. YMMV.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Any idea If I search for Kinesys spray product on the American Amazon site will it be the same? What are the active ingredients?
Just about any shirt is going to have a higher spf/upf than any normal sunscreen. Also who puts sunscreen on their hands??
A long sleeve sunshirt with a hood or better yet a floppy hat is where it’s at. I have a couple of the Colombia PFG ones that I wear for working outside, though I’d like to see if I can find something cotton instead since I’m not a huge fan of synthetic fibers.
I put sunscreen on my hands or I will have completely burnt hands. There's many of us who cant have more than about an hour in direct sunlight (and sometimes much less) before redness and soon burning occurs.
Nearly everyone I know puts sunscreen on their hands. Here in Australia, the world melanoma capital, sun safety is drilled into you as a kid, to the extent that "no hat no play" used to be official policy in most schools.
It means only 2% of the harmful rays (UVA) are getting through the shirt or alternatively the skin under the shirt can spend 50 times as long in the sun as it could without any protection.
BEMT is the first new ingredient allowed by the FDA since the 1990s. It's meaningful but a very narrow decision. The FDA still has not approved any of the following sunscreens that have been widely used outside of the US, in some cases for decades:
If you live in the US, you are quite literally taking a risk with your health using US-made sunscreens. Luckily brands like Beauty of Joseon (Korean) and many others are readily available through sites like Yamibuy.
Bemotrizinol is the ingredient being discussed.
If you're looking for a specific product to try, check out Ombrelle and also La Roche-Posay's Anthelios line. I share this as a Canadian (bemotrizinol has been available here for years), but check the ingredients because it may vary by country because of regulations.
Aside: I did a bunch of sunscreen research some time ago for my family. I like the non-absorbing/non-reactive aspect of mineral screens but settled on a chemical screen and bemotrizinol seemed favoured but we landed instead on the Kinesys brand of sprays which we love because they're very waterproof and sweatproof in our experience but they feel like almost nothing. YMMV.
Sadly, you’ll have to wait for those brands in the US.
> DSM-Firmenich has exclusive rights to market bemotrizinol in the U.S. for 18 months. It will be sold under the brand name Parsol Shield.
+1 for La Roche - my daughter has fair sensitive skin and burns easily, its the best she finds (in Australia)
Thank you for sharing your experience. Any idea If I search for Kinesys spray product on the American Amazon site will it be the same? What are the active ingredients?
Would have liked to hear about the safety profile for marine life that this has compared to other chemical sunscreens.
certain long clothes allows for skipping sunscreen entirely in perpetuity
Unless you are talking about a Burqa, i think that is not true.
This isn't realistic for something likeriding your bike where you get lots of sun on your face and limbs.
Your clothes still need to have a certain SPF, and you're not gonna wear gloves when 100 outside are you?
Just about any shirt is going to have a higher spf/upf than any normal sunscreen. Also who puts sunscreen on their hands??
A long sleeve sunshirt with a hood or better yet a floppy hat is where it’s at. I have a couple of the Colombia PFG ones that I wear for working outside, though I’d like to see if I can find something cotton instead since I’m not a huge fan of synthetic fibers.
I put sunscreen on my hands or I will have completely burnt hands. There's many of us who cant have more than about an hour in direct sunlight (and sometimes much less) before redness and soon burning occurs.
Who puts sunscreen on their hands? People in the sun who want to avoid wrinkles and burns and skin cancer on their hands.
If it's exposed skin, it gets sunscreen.
Nearly everyone I know puts sunscreen on their hands. Here in Australia, the world melanoma capital, sun safety is drilled into you as a kid, to the extent that "no hat no play" used to be official policy in most schools.
I put sunscreen on my hands.
People who don't enjoy sunburns on their hands put sunscreen on their hands.
While generally true, it's worth remembering that thin shirts can have an SPF as low as 50 or so, which isn't much.
SPF is logarithmic so high numbers can be misleading. The FDA has recently banned labeling above SPF 60 for this reason. Doctors usually recommend 30
It means only 2% of the harmful rays (UVA) are getting through the shirt or alternatively the skin under the shirt can spend 50 times as long in the sun as it could without any protection.
A typical tshirt is closer to SPF 7, depending on color and weight.
This topic has been posted at about the same time in another thread, but neither has any comments
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48523165
I guess this is the reason why the sunscreens from haruharu are now suddenly available in amazon
BEMT is the first new ingredient allowed by the FDA since the 1990s. It's meaningful but a very narrow decision. The FDA still has not approved any of the following sunscreens that have been widely used outside of the US, in some cases for decades:
- DHHB / Uvinul A Plus
- EHT / Uvinul T150
- MBBT / Tinosorb M
- Iscotrizinol / Uvasorb HEB
- Drometrizole trisiloxane - Mexoryl XL
- Methoxypropylamino cyclohexenylidene ethoxyethylcyanoacetate - Mexoryl 400
- Polysilicone-15 - Parsol SLX
- Disodium phenyl dibenzimidazole tetrasulfonate - Neo Heliopan AP
- Tris-biphenyl triazine - Tinosorb A2B
- Phenylene bis-diphenyltriazine - TriAsorB
- Diethylhexyl syringylidene malonate (photostabilizer)
If you live in the US, you are quite literally taking a risk with your health using US-made sunscreens. Luckily brands like Beauty of Joseon (Korean) and many others are readily available through sites like Yamibuy.
Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48507024
and related large discussion this week:
European sunscreens are safer than American (2024)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48503940